Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by ASCheerMan, Jun 12, 2012.
Yes. As always we will continuously strive to get it right.
The 'bare minimum' is just that--trying to get in the door all these teams that have never coed stunted. But any truly competitive team trying to out score the competition is not going to settle on the stunt section you described.
Will this information be emailed out to varsity all star coaches?
Reposting because I have all of the same questions!
Do jump pause skills satisfy the requirement? Are they preferred or no?
The 50%+1 coed unassisted stunt rule seems to not work for small numbers of boys. Teams with 1 or 2 boys need to throw just as many unassisted coed skills as teams with 3 or 4. Is this going to be clarified any more, or is this how it will be?
I am reposting the system today with added clarifications, many of which will address your questions. But in a nutshell:
Pausing between a jump and a tumbling skill will NOT satisfy the jump/tumble requirement. I, personally don't prefer them and see it as either a) reinforcing BAD technique or b) an attempt to show everyone that you are a Level 5 athlete sandbagging at Level 4.
I realize now that my magical formula isn't working magic. Here's how we intended it to play out:
Teams competing with...
1 male, 1 unassisted stunt is required.
2 males, 2 unassisted stunts are required.
3 males, 2 unassisted stunts are required.
4 males, 3 unassisted stunts are required.
5 males, 3 unassisted stunts are required.
As a reminder, recycled stunt groups count towards the requirement. Unassisted stunts throughout the routine may count as well. And an unassisted stunt doesn't have to be based by a male. Our goal is to create parameters that don't force any coed team to drop their guys because they are intimidated. We want to work WITH you to make sure nobody is left behind!
Drew, I apologize as I just realized I never replied directly to your posting directly. I know I addressed most of these initial concerns, but I took for granted that once I put this system up on Fierceboards, that I'd need to stay tuned as the thread evolved and respond to so many valid questions.
By the way, the Level 2 Standing Tumbling typo is being addressed in today's reposting. Thanks for pointing it out.
Restricted Level 5 and 4.2 aren't required to include the unassisted stunting as part of their score because these divisions tend to have both all girl and coed teams competing against eachother. It would be unfair to expect some of the teams in a given division to include certain skills but not require it of the rest of the teams also!
I'm not familiar with 4.2 but often times Senior Restricted 5 is split coed/all-girl. At those comps will the score sheet reflect this split, or will ALL Varsity events (regardless of split) have the same score sheet?
Since those divisions only split into coed and all girl IF registrations warrant, we decided against making it a requirement for coed teams one week, but not the next.
The end result would be that the coed squads would leave in their unassisted stunt all season and the all girl teams would FEEL like they were at a disadvantage, even if judges weren't requiring it that week.
Thanks for the clarification!
So you don't want the jump pause bhs for level 2? or is the BHS series as level appropriate tumbling the typo.
If you don't want the jump pause bhs, how do you suggest connecting level 2 tumbling to a jump since that is illegal at 2? do you want jump forward roll front handsprings? Would that be considered connected?
For Level 2, a toe touch (followed by a pause)and a back handspring are both allowed because those skills are NOT connected to each other. An example of a jump/tumbling combo that IS allowed at L2 could be a front hurdler back walkover. It's legal and it satisfies the 4.0 - 5.0 HIGH requirement of including a jump/tumbling combo.
We are about to repost the Scoring System with updates and clarifications. The back handspring series was a typo and is deleted. And like I clarified just now, jump/tumbling combos are spelled out w/examples. Many brought it up to us and share in your confusion.
So, If I understand you correctly- Level 1 and 2 do the same jump connected to tumbling.
and for us personally we get to do jump pause bhs at Cheersport then switch to jump walkovers then back to jump pause bhs for another cheersport comp and then back to jump walkovers.
^^^ That is why we need a universal scoresheet.
While I agree with the need for universal scoresheets, couldn't you do a jump BWO bhs and satisfy both scoresheets? No pause to satisfy varsity and appropriate level skills for cheersport?
Ok, I apologize for the contradiction, but I'm going to change my answer given meetings that have taken place over the last 48 hours.
Level 1 Jump/Tumbling Combination example includes toe touch back walkover or a front hurdler forward roll.
Level 2 Standing Tumbling HIGH subrange will no longer call for a jump backhandspring combination.
These clarifications will be addressed in the updated Scoring system being posted today.
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