The Thread To Stop The Hijacking Of The Cea Thread

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by King, Mar 9, 2012.

  1. tumbleyoda

    tumbleyoda Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I am probably the wrong one to answer this because I personally am not on the "go to Worlds or your program sucks" train. I also dont believe you need crossovers except in case of injury, illness or absence. Not that I dont understand the model CEA uses, it just is not my personal preference. I don't have a win at all costs mindset. I spend way more time in the gym in practices, open gym, privates and just hanging out building happy positive relationships than I will ever spend with them at a competition. I choose to maximize the former time and let the latter shake out however it shakes out.

    This by no means is an excuse or platform for mediocrity. It is building within on your on terms and timeline, without being forced to compete at a level until you are ready and even then looking at is as a journey rather than a win or else event. As long as your customers are fully educated on your vision and what to reasonably expect, you should be able to retain enough to grow the business. Even if it is at a slower pace than buying/merging with other gyms.


    My belief is that you have to stay true to the vision you have for your gym, stay in the boundries of the rules, keep your tumble classes and other programs just as well staffed as you do your highest level cheer team, do you and quite frankly the hell with everybody else. If you sell your parents, athletes, and community on your vision, give them a quality product w/ value against their $$$ you can survive and thrive in this market. You don't have to have a level 5 program to do it. You don't have to have a Worlds team to do it. You just gotta have the belief that you can excel being true to you instead of trying to be like everybody else or trying to impress others.
     
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  2. BlueCat

    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    I believe that it is/was too big a project to accomplish in a short time frame. It is a huge challenge for the small group of USASF employees to get rules and scoresheets out in time, much less create/maintain database, distribute cards, set up infrastructure, etc.

    That is a guess on my part.
     
  3. TheUltimateFan

    TheUltimateFan I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    Dang, aren't you somewhere down near the St. Louis area? My son just moved my grandbabies away from O'Fallon. I am going to tell him he needs to move them back so their Yiayia can watch them cheer. :)
     
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  4. StarshipTrooper

    StarshipTrooper Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    You know, that is a tall order to fill bureaucratically. Thousands of gyms, hundreds of thousand athletes, a whole lot of education and buy in by the industry. I'll bet you can chalk it it to bureaucratic inertia.
     
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  5. tumbleyoda

    tumbleyoda Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Yes I am. Been here going on two years now and loving it.
     
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  6. BlueCat

    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    There are definitely very different ways to run a gym and there is no single "right" way. For example, comparing us, Spirit, Stingrays, Top Gun, CEA, etc. would often reveal very stark differences in focus and philosophy. There are things I greatly respect about each of those programs, things we have learned from them, and things that I absolutely disagree with. I'm sure they feel the same about us. We all have found ways to be successful without simply molding our businesses into carbon copies of each other.
     
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  7. tumbleyoda

    tumbleyoda Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Which is what I feel many should do. Learn from, definitely. Imitate, no. Create your own brand and buzz. it takes time but it is well worth it.:)
     
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  8. TheUltimateFan

    TheUltimateFan I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    I am not trying to be confrontational by asking these questions. I really do want to understand because I think USASF needs to get over this type of hurdle to move ahead. Even if it takes longer to implement, isn't it better to implement it slowly within a plan they can staff to than to kill the idea after all of that research time and effort spent? And then to start over from scratch - or to not implement the change at all? Why not use the data you have gathered, break the effort down into manageable components and tackle them one at a time?

    :( I know you can't answer for them. I'm just bewildered by the logic behind these types of decisions. And I think they themselves throw up a huge barrier to progress both in changing the rules and in gaining USASF the respect and recognition they need to become a serious force.
     
  9. Cheer_Explosion_Coach

    Cheer_Explosion_Coach Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Haven't we already voted on crossovers last rules cycle. Didn't it get voted down?
     
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    Cheer_Explosion_Coach Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    It would take me being completely on board with the morals and focus of the larger gym. If I refer anyone anywhere I understand that my reputation is on the line for referring that person. What if the larger gyms don't allign with your philosophies or morals? Why refer them? Isn't that why, as a small gym owner, I opened your own business in the first place?
     
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  11. CGAcheer

    CGAcheer Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Seeing those comparisons would be quite interesting and add in Cali and twisters. Not necessarily a how to guide, but a comparison of how some of the best made it happen and how they grew to top and created their identities. I and I'm sure plenty of others would buy that book
     
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  12. Cheer_Explosion_Coach

    Cheer_Explosion_Coach Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Read "Good to Great" by Jim Collins... It'll answer all of your questions
     
  13. kristenthegreat

    kristenthegreat Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    This. If all things are equal, why not just start at the bigger gym who has not only the resources, but a better chance to grow through the system with better chances at getting on that high-ranking team..
     
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    I think the answer to this may differ from person to person, program to program. For us I believe the coaching Jac received at the smaller gyms was the whole package, not just skills. There was more attention to how she was developing as an individual, a person, a good student and citizen. The larger gym took those skills and expanded on them, and continued the beliefs we valued, but the focus on her as an individual was lost in the masses.
     
  15. StarshipTrooper

    StarshipTrooper Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    This is a quote from what appeared to me to be an excellent young coach in a program that looked a lot like CEA when we arrived. I think it says a lot about the athletes and this sport. I think your business plan needs to ultimately meet their needs.